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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2009, 02:46:30 PM »
Here is the basic plot line for the start of the campaign, so much as I am willing to reveal.  Your initial characters (with mostly the same stats as your actual characters) will go on a fairly generic adventure, and as they finish it something goes terribly wrong.  After this, your initial characters have their minds broken and merged with your actual characters, you move to the actual campaign setting, and things get weird.  Your goal (unless you decide otherwise) will generally be to return home.  Your powers and personalities generally come from your initial characters, but your backgrounds are from your actual characters.  If you want extra fun, you can say that the personality merge was incomplete and have fun with that, but that is completely optional.  When the campaign starts, magic will be very rare, but it may become more common depending on player character actions.

Since having a Star Pact Warlock is so important to me for this, I am willing to let one person who plays one change all of the Star Pact powers to be either Cha or Con based (right now they are about half and half) without using feats (Paladins, Clerics, and Rangers will need feats to attempt anything like this).  In addition, this Warlock will come with a dagger that can be used as an implement, although it doesn't start with an enhancement bonus.  I will be also be upping the power and lowering the requirements for the rituals associated with enchanting magic items, while changing their power source slightly.

For characters with the divine power source, any apparent divinity is okay (you could even make one up, as long as it's reasonable).  Actual gods and apparent gods will be different notions.  Finding the hidden connections between these notions may be something the player characters have to do.

As far as the world goes, in the actual campaign world there are almost no civilized humanoids who are not actually human.  Making a character that appears nonhuman (a dwarf looks kind of human, but a dragonborn does not) will result in interesting RP interactions.  Some will be treated as monsters, some as nobility, and some as barbarians.  The distribution of character races will most likely change as part of the events of the campaign, depending on the actions of player characters.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2009, 08:38:55 PM »
I agree in that 4th ed is NOT D&D. they threw out too much of the SETTING. changing the rules is fine, but dumping 30 years of history means its not the same game.
Grayhawk isn’t the only D&D setting. :P Forgotten Realms is still around though there’s been quite a bit of upheaval.

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Anyway, I was actually thinking about going with a warlock. 4th ed warlocks feel like warlocks (unlike certain other classes, such as wizards). I wouldn't mind playing one.
Woohoo. :)

Edit: I’ll be the controller.
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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2009, 09:29:06 PM »
I agree in that 4th ed is NOT D&D. they threw out too much of the SETTING. changing the rules is fine, but dumping 30 years of history means its not the same game.
Grayhawk isn’t the only D&D setting. :P Forgotten Realms is still around though there’s been quite a bit of upheaval.

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Anyway, I was actually thinking about going with a warlock. 4th ed warlocks feel like warlocks (unlike certain other classes, such as wizards). I wouldn't mind playing one.
Woohoo. :)

Edit: I’ll be the controller.
After thinking about it for a while, I realized that the lack of Mystara wasn't what Rob was talking about.  It probably has something to do with the magic mechanics, because I can't think of anything else they killed that wasn't already killed for 3rd ed.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2009, 08:10:12 AM »
the planes, the nature of deities, the 'default' nature of the setting (halfway decent places to live versus WTFPWNED EVIL).

In 3.5, and 3rd, and 2nd, going all the way back, there were PLACES, and MONSTERS, and EVENTS, that everyone who played the game knew about. Those are gone now.

D&D isnt about the rules; those HAVE to change to keep the game vibrant. It's about the SETTING and the HISTORY, and that's gone.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 09:30:12 AM »
the planes, the nature of deities, the 'default' nature of the setting (halfway decent places to live versus WTFPWNED EVIL).

In 3.5, and 3rd, and 2nd, going all the way back, there were PLACES, and MONSTERS, and EVENTS, that everyone who played the game knew about. Those are gone now.

D&D isnt about the rules; those HAVE to change to keep the game vibrant. It's about the SETTING and the HISTORY, and that's gone.
The AD&D2 I played didn't have any of that stuff; we didn't use a standard campaign setting.  They brought back the two major campaign settings from D&D3; the rest really got ditched a lot earlier.  The way the planes where set up before was arbitrary and complicated, and it's now just as arbitrary but less complicated, with the only major difference being that demons are now classified as elementals and are so completely different from devils.  And a world where your village can be crushed by a marauding dragon at any time is not a halfway decent place to live.  The helpless villagers of D&D never had it good.  It's different in the published campaign settings, though, and civilization seems to be more nicey-nice.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 12:43:01 PM »
we've had this debate. It's really a matter of opinion. The game is what it is; I just apparently feel differently about it. Not worth getting into a heated discussion over; there's nothing to prove either way.

In other news, please share more about your potential campaign. it sounds...wonky, which is normal for you but still, well, wonky.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 04:55:06 PM »
I will make some organizational posts as soon as the new subforum is made.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2009, 06:06:22 PM »
D&D isnt about the rules; those HAVE to change to keep the game vibrant. It's about the SETTING and the HISTORY, and that's gone.
WotC did decide to make the default campaign setting fairly generic, but it’s not that bad of an idea. People who were likely to care came up with their own settings or used one of the pre-fab ones, and those who just wanted to kill monsters and get loot ignored them anyway. The only people left out in the cold were fans of Greyhawk.

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Re: Seeking small group to play D&D (any ed but 4th)
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2009, 06:58:04 PM »
And Mystara.  Everyone should visit the Grand Duchy of Karameikos.